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 Giedrius
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 Fast Lap International @ Bikernieki track (Riga) 2009.08.16
Halloo!
"Fast Lap" welcomes speed thirsty drivers from whole Baltic Region
Yes, "Fast Lap" goes International!
Latvias famous Race Circuit of Bikernieki will be that place where the motors will roar and competition to achieve the fastest Lap Time will last all day long.
"Fast Lap" is a circuit based event where competitors drive hard against the clock to set the quickest lap time around a circuit. Participants have warm up and two 30 min. sessions to do their quickest lap time. Event is taking action in professional circuit Bikernieki (Riga city) on August 16, equipped by professional timing system, Live Timing on screen and Internet, infrastructure for drivers and viewers, drift show during the breaks.
"Fast Lap" will unite fastest time attackers from Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia. Russian, Polish, Swedish and Finn drivers are invited as well!
Series are getting more and more popular. It is intermediate variant between professional autosport and ordinary driver where both - professional and amateur drivers can demonstrate their skills on equal opportunities. Cars varies from daily cars to high tuned track beasts!
Interested to participate or spectate? Click on the flyer!
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| 16.07.2009 at 18:16 |
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peep
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 Fast Lap International @ Bikernieki track (Riga) 2009.08.16
See peaks igati ok üritus olema niipalju kui ma neti kaudu olen jälginud. Hea variant neile, kelle jaoks OT kitsaks on jäänud, et enda ja oma auto kiirust proovile panna. EAL'i litsensiomanikele see võistlus vist ei ole lubatud, kui ta pole Läti föderatsioonis regatud ?
Giedrius, is the event registered in Latvian autosport federation, so that competition licence holders could participate ? And how you define "street legal" tyres ? E or DOT marking ? Hoosiers ok ?
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| 16.07.2009 at 22:09 |
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Giedrius
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Fast Lap International @ Bikernieki track (Riga) 2009.08.16
Hi,
We are now in the dialog with Latvian Federation, but it's only concern Latvian sport license holders. For foreign (no matter if they have any sport license or not) and latvish participants without LAF license there is no influence.
Street Legal tyres: E or DOT, or both. Tyres on which written "For competition use only" or similar writings is not allowed to use. Hoosier is only racing tyre so it's not allowed. |
| 17.07.2009 at 09:22 |
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peep
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Fast Lap International @ Bikernieki track (Riga) 2009.08.16
I was just wondering how you interpretate rules ? Hoosiers (and other similar) have DOT, so they are technically street legal, but infact they are close to slicks. |
| 17.07.2009 at 09:42 |
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Giedrius
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Fast Lap International @ Bikernieki track (Riga) 2009.08.16
Could you write me the exact model of tyre we are talking about? |
| 17.07.2009 at 13:46 |
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devilc
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Fast Lap International @ Bikernieki track (Riga) 2009.08.16
Answering for Peep: go to https://www.hoosiertire.com/rrtire.htm, scroll to the end of the page and you will find SPORTS CAR D.O.T. - RADIAL (A6 & R6) tires that are built specifically to take advantage of rather lax U.S. rules for DOT certification, so in theory they are street legal. The tread pattern looks like this:
Is the traffic shown in the S2000 on-board Bikernieki video typical for your events or is it from some other trackday? It seemed that the (good) driver could only get one clean lap out of four, with time in the 1.37.xx range.
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| 17.07.2009 at 14:15 |
2 edits. Last edited 17.07.2009 at 14:18 by devilc (Moderator)
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Giedrius
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Fast Lap International @ Bikernieki track (Riga) 2009.08.16
I have passed this question for our technical person, who knows better and makes the decisions.
Regarding video: it was Honda Club track day. In our event we make groups depending on the tempo of the drivers to avoid such situation.
Regarding LAF: we're in procedures with LAF. They require to do at least two chicanes, for safety. I believe it will be so. |
| 17.07.2009 at 14:57 |
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Giedrius
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Fast Lap International @ Bikernieki track (Riga) 2009.08.16
quote:
scroll to the end of the page and you will find SPORTS CAR D.O.T. - RADIAL (A6 & R6) tires that are built specifically to take advantage of rather lax U.S. rules for DOT certification, so in theory they are street legal. The tread pattern looks like this:
Tread pattern looks like slick 
Anyhow it's not allowed in our event. We will change the Regulations with more specific details: "Tyres should have ECE Standart 30 marking (mark “E” with country of homologation code, for example: E4; E2 and etc." All tyres should correspond to two things altogether: 1) street legal, and 2) not slick of any type. |
| 20.07.2009 at 08:48 |
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peep
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Fast Lap International @ Bikernieki track (Riga) 2009.08.16
Would be easier to say that "cheater slicks" are not allowed. Many tyres do not have E marking, while being honest street tyres or semi slicks.
Cheapest way to go fast is used racing slicks, so it's another question, if they should be not allowed ? Your current regs force to buy R888's or similar, making competitive participation more expensive in most cases. Sure, it just my opinion, but it's based on what we have seen here during 8 years of running the trackdays. In the end it's light cars on used slicks, which are most economical way to go fast and have fun - and then they don't need zillion hp & big brakes to do that.
If you would like to run one event next year on Pärnu track, then let me know, I can provide any assistance needed. Our track is well suitable for streetcars, as it has plenty of runoff area in most corners, so cars can be driven to the limit with bigger confidence. |
| 20.07.2009 at 10:17 |
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devilc
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Fast Lap International @ Bikernieki track (Riga) 2009.08.16
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peep:In the end it's light cars on used slicks, which are most economical way to go fast and have fun - and then they don't need zillion hp & big brakes to do that.
On a trackday, yes - but not if there is an official competition like Fast Lap, as having a set of brand-new slicks AND wets will give a large advantage, which some competitors surely take, forcing others to either also come up with the cash or simply be uncompetitive. In the end, you end up with two extra sets of tyres and wheels that cannot be used on the street. (Compare this with just one set of trackday tyres, which many fast car owners run on the street anyway.)
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| 20.07.2009 at 10:47 |
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peep
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Fast Lap International @ Bikernieki track (Riga) 2009.08.16
One can buy also GT3...or GT-R...considering diffcult times in economy. |
| 20.07.2009 at 11:15 |
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Giedrius
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Fast Lap International @ Bikernieki track (Riga) 2009.08.16
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peep: Would be easier to say that "cheater slicks" are not allowed. Many tyres do not have E marking, while being honest street tyres or semi slicks.
Cheater slicks - correct. That's best describe of that.
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Cheapest way to go fast is used racing slicks, so it's another question, if they should be not allowed ?
I don't know about Estonia, but we have for example Toyo 888 205/50/15 here cost 70 euro. So they are quite affordable and more suitable for casual use than slicks. But mainly the reason is not in this. The problem is that slicks are hard to get warm up and while it's not warmed up it's very slippery. For amateur drivers it's too dangerous.
Also if you use slicks (especially used) - one hard lock on the brakes and you can throw that slick away.
devilc also posted some arguments.
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If you would like to run one event next year on Pärnu track, then let me know, I can provide any assistance needed. Our track is well suitable for streetcars, as it has plenty of runoff area in most corners, so cars can be driven to the limit with bigger confidence.
I have been in Parnu and it's in our plans. Maybe not for this year, but in 2010 for sure. What your EASU says about "time attack" event in Parnu track? Do they allow street cars to compete? In Lithuania there is no problem, but in Latvia we will be obligated to use chicanes to slow down the average speed.
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| 20.07.2009 at 15:36 |
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devilc
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Fast Lap International @ Bikernieki track (Riga) 2009.08.16
Giedrius, have you already decided where the chicanes will be? |
| 21.07.2009 at 08:42 |
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Giedrius
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Fast Lap International @ Bikernieki track (Riga) 2009.08.16
LAF (Latvias autosport federation) decides that, not us. We would prefer without chicanes :] Preliminary we have talked about two chichanes: a) before "the bridge", b) start/finish line - before that very fast first right turn. In this week all be set and we will know exactly. |
| 21.07.2009 at 09:42 |
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devilc
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Fast Lap International @ Bikernieki track (Riga) 2009.08.16
Hetkel tundub siis, et läheme kolmekesi lätlasi, leedukaid ja venelasi kimbutama.
http://www.overspeed.lt/OverSpeed-Fast-Lap-III-round/ |
| 10.08.2009 at 17:23 |
1 edit. Last edited 11.08.2009 at 09:59 by devilc (Moderator)
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lauri911
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Fast Lap International @ Bikernieki track (Riga) 2009.08.16
quote:
devilc: Hetkel tundub siis, et läheme kolmekesi lätlasi, leddukaid ja venelasi kimbutama.
Kahju, et huvi Eesti poolelt suhteliselt leige.
Täheldasin, et meie kolmekesi oleme veel lisaks ainukesed Porsche esindajad, huvitav... |
| 10.08.2009 at 20:49 |
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peep
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Fast Lap International @ Bikernieki track (Riga) 2009.08.16
Lõunamaades üldjuhul ei käi kallite autode omanikud nendega rajal sõitmas.
Ma ise shikaanidega ei viitsi ja teiseks olen ju niikuinii järgmine nädal seal sõitmas "for real". Aga üritus on huvitav, kui nad järgmine hooaeg pole entusiasmi minetanud, siis võiks isegi proovida. |
| 10.08.2009 at 21:15 |
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lauri911
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Fast Lap International @ Bikernieki track (Riga) 2009.08.16
Shikaanid on jama jah, need võivad minu tiptronicule saatuslikuks saada --- ilma nendeta see rada sobib automaadile hästi, pikad pidurdusmaad, kastil on aega käike vahetada.
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| 11.08.2009 at 09:33 |
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Giedrius
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Fast Lap International @ Bikernieki track (Riga) 2009.08.16
LAF approved track scheme:  |
| 12.08.2009 at 15:13 |
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lauri911
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Fast Lap International @ Bikernieki track (Riga) 2009.08.16
Hetkel suudan plaanilt tuvastada ühe stop-and-go shikaani, loodame, et see jääbki nii |
| 12.08.2009 at 18:06 |
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Giedrius
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Fast Lap International @ Bikernieki track (Riga) 2009.08.16
Yellow squares are chichanes and start/finish lane line is modified a bit. I wish it was more to standart configuaration, but that's the "fastest" configuration LAF has approved - safety first. |
| 12.08.2009 at 19:23 |
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Jesper
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Fast Lap International @ Bikernieki track (Riga) 2009.08.16
I think that the start-finish straight becomes very interesting after this modification, the driver will have to set up the car for the chicane entry while maintaining maximum speed through the last corner, which in turn needs some planning before the penultimate corner. Very challenging, should separate the men from the boys
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| 12.08.2009 at 20:05 |
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lauri911
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Fast Lap International @ Bikernieki track (Riga) 2009.08.16
quote:
Giedrius: Yellow squares are chichanes and start/finish lane line is modified a bit. I wish it was more to standart configuaration, but that's the "fastest" configuration LAF has approved - safety first.
Hea täpsustus, seega on 3 shikaani kahe asemel. |
| 12.08.2009 at 20:41 |
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devilc
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Fast Lap International @ Bikernieki track (Riga) 2009.08.16
Start-finish line looks interesting indeed, let's see how it looks in real life. Should still Giedrius, how fast are the chicanes? Stop and go type or more like 80 km/h? |
| 13.08.2009 at 12:18 |
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hall
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Fast Lap International @ Bikernieki track (Riga) 2009.08.16
I don´t think that the modified start-finish line is something too technical or strange. As the chicane is very slow then there is not too much to lose in there if you of course do not overdrive your skills/car´s ability Or let´s say this way that there is not much to win, but a lot to lose in that chicane if you crach.
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| 13.08.2009 at 12:51 |
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